Maybe it's about time I start looking into foreign citizenship
I told my husband late last week that I wasn't planning to enter the blogging fray concerning the Presidential election in 2008. Um, well, that is until Hillary made it official.
I knew it was coming, but something about it being official just makes me sick to my stomach. Sorry if you're a die-hard fan but I'm sure it won't come as a surprise I'm about as opposite of a "die-hard fan" as they come and can't be for 1001+ reasons, not the least of which is that she is a woman. (You should hear my husband get on a roll about what devastating effects a hormonal woman in such a powerful office could produce... but we won't go there right here and now!)
And then a woman who has never had children of her own decides that she knows what is best for all children in the state of California. Just what we need - more government interference in our lives. As if the government knows how to parent our children better than we do. Whatever happened to parental responsibility? You better believe if Mrs. Clinton makes her debut in the White House the UN Convention on the Rights of the Child will be swiftly adopted and parental responsibility will be a thing of the past.
Maybe it's about time I start looking into foreign citizenship.
Edited: For those of you who might be newer readers or not know me very well, rest assured that the above post was very tongue-in-cheek. Of course I love the USA and am very thankful to be a citizen of this country. I am just so disheartened to see our freedoms being slowly stripped away and the humanistic philosophies infiltrating almost everything.
I knew it was coming, but something about it being official just makes me sick to my stomach. Sorry if you're a die-hard fan but I'm sure it won't come as a surprise I'm about as opposite of a "die-hard fan" as they come and can't be for 1001+ reasons, not the least of which is that she is a woman. (You should hear my husband get on a roll about what devastating effects a hormonal woman in such a powerful office could produce... but we won't go there right here and now!)
And then a woman who has never had children of her own decides that she knows what is best for all children in the state of California. Just what we need - more government interference in our lives. As if the government knows how to parent our children better than we do. Whatever happened to parental responsibility? You better believe if Mrs. Clinton makes her debut in the White House the UN Convention on the Rights of the Child will be swiftly adopted and parental responsibility will be a thing of the past.
Maybe it's about time I start looking into foreign citizenship.
Edited: For those of you who might be newer readers or not know me very well, rest assured that the above post was very tongue-in-cheek. Of course I love the USA and am very thankful to be a citizen of this country. I am just so disheartened to see our freedoms being slowly stripped away and the humanistic philosophies infiltrating almost everything.
posted by Crystal Paine at 7:29 AM
66 Comments:
I am not into the whole politcial thing, but even me and DH knew that Hillary was going to try and run...ugh...great, that's what we need in the office. NOT! I can just imagine all the women supporters out their rooting her to be the next president.. *shudder*. Well, look on the bright side, at the rate this world is going, who knows, maybe the Lord will come back for His church and we wont have to be around for any of it. ;-)
I completely agree with you about Hillary – the thought of her in the White House is enough to make me want to move to Canada. :) However, I disagree that a woman can never be an effective leader. Personally I don’t really care if we ever have a woman president or not – it’s the policies that matter, not the person’s gender. But at the same time I have to admit that it would be great if someday we had a conservative, Christian, pro-life woman president. For one thing, it would drive the feminists nuts. :)
Haha, you sound hippie, Crystal! ;) Out of curiousity, where would you choose to live? I can't think of a country much better than the US, though I admit there may be a few out there! I'm not trying to challenge you, just really curious if there are any better alternatives.
This election will be interesting! I am certainly becoming motivated to work in a campaign or something of the sort. I guess we can at least starting praying now!
Hi Crystal~
I agree...ugh! Hillary is the last person I want to see on the ballots come election time. It isn't so much that she is a woman...but all she stands for. However, I wouldn't want to go to another country...they're hardly any better. Some of these places have less rights than we do.
Being from California...this issue hits too close to home. I will be praying hard on this issue. They will make us responsible...when our children do something awful, but they will be tying our hands behind our back, and we will not be able to train up our children in the way they should go. Truly troubling!
Sommer
I'm right with you, Crystal. I don't need or want somebody else raising my children or telling me how to raise them myself. This woman doesn't give kids enough credit as far as connecting the crime with the punishment. I haven't had to spank my 2 year old yet but he knows exactly what he's done wrong when I do punish him. Kids are smarter than a lot of adults think they are (and it's kind of scary sometimes ;o)) As for Hillary running for president, I don't think this country is ready for that yet. Any woman in the whitehouse right now is probably not the best idea. I have to agree with Sarah D. and I do think that eventually a woman could make a good leader for this country but not now and not her.
And away we go on the political roller coaster. lol :o)
Tracy
Really? Hillary is running? No way! She said that she had no intention of running. Huh.
I think that Billary...er...Hillary is the fakest person in the world. However, I would rather have her than Obama. I never thought that I would hear myself say that, but Obama scares me. I guess he was raised Muslim. Just what the country needs today, a Muslim President.
I heard about that anti-spanking law. The stupid thing is that they group slapping a child's face with slapping him on the bum. I did think it was funny that that congresswoman had no kids and that she said that her vet told her she should never hit her cat.
All those "studies" about spanking making a kid more violent were never for parents who just spanked on the bum in a controled manner. They grouped kids of all ages who were hit, punched, and slapped all over (including the face). I am sure if you punched a twelve yr in the face rountinely for punishment, it would have a negative effect. This is completely different than when I spank my two yr old on the bum when he get to close to the stove.
I was spanked. I received my last spanking when I was 8 yrs old (I remember it very well. I had lied to my mother.) I am here to testify to the fact that I am not violent, have never been arrested, never gotten even a speeding ticket. How do you explain that?
Well said Sarah. I fear however that someone that wonderful would never be voted in.
I totally agree! What a downfall our country will experience if Hillary and her unbiblical liberal agenda is elected. It does not, as Mrs. Clinton states, "take a village to raise a child". It takes a mommy and a daddy, and an anti-abortion law that allows that child to exist in the first place!
Valerie from Arkansas
(the state that the Clinton's ruined before they went on to bigger endeavors)
I guess it takes a village(idiot)to run for president these days.
Carrie: Hippie, hmmm. I think I need to buy some Birkenstocks. ;)I have no idea where I'd move to because I think you're right in that there's not any great alternatives that I know of. I think most places are worse than the US, especially when it comes to religious freedom, freedom of speech, and the government's role in well, just about everything. Ugh.
Sarah D. and others: I know I'm in the minority when it comes to women in high political offices. :) I won't open up that pandora's box right now, but you're free to disagree with me on it. :)
Sigh...I live in CA, land of nuts apparently.
Guess it is time to move, but every country has its problems, and now that I think of it every state does too, but somehow CA gets more than its fair share...
Crystal,
Hi! I was actually thinking of the same thing about moving. But I cannot even think of a single country (especially European) where rights are not already being taken away,as well.I have been very concerned with Hillary's agenda, and the movement in California to take away parental rights to discipline. Of course God is still on His Throne, and His Sovereign Will will be done. One true hope for America is Christian Exodus in South Carolina. Their website is www.Christianexodus.org . It is a group of Christians who want to live with the rights entrusted to all Americans by God. Blessings to you!
As one from and living in California, I wholeheartedly agree!! The good thing for us is that my husband is in the military and last night told me that if the spanking law is passed (which, honestly, I doubt it will) we do have the option to simply request orders out of California. :) But even being stationed in Japan or on foreign soil still wouldn't help with the horrible, awful possibility of Hilary in office. It makes me shudder just to type it...
The scary thing is that she has a good chance of winning.
This is why I think Christians should have a bunch of kids. Then maybe someday we won't be in the minority anymore. Then we could elect a Christian president. Imagine a world where you had to support yourself and your offspring if you are able and not force others to do it! Imagine children being adopted into loving homes instead of being killed before they're born. Imagine someone being at least a little embarrassed giving birth w/o a ring on her finger. Imagine if those who are a menace to children actually had to be locked up so that other kids wouldn't be hurt. Imagine a world where the majority of men weren't wimps. Imagine God getting the recognition that He deserves.
Just had to get that off of my chest! Sorry. I feel better, though.
I'm not sure what my feelings are on a woman president, by the way.
Well, Crystal, I won't take more of your time. I know you have some Birkensocks and granola to buy. Just think of the time you'll save by not shaving your legs! (haha)
I'd rather have a woman than a Muslim...
I totally agree! Worse yet would be if Hillary and Obama were on the same ticket - although, maybe that would be a blessing in disguise. A muslim and a woman? I don't think the American people are ready for that one.
I've already started to pray, and have been for months...
I'm really not worried that Hilary will be voted into the Presidency. She's too controversial for the average voter. I don't think people are ready for a woman, Democrat President - it's just way too radical. Now, a woman, Republican President - I think that could happen, and I'm on the fence about it. Because while on the one hand I agree that's not a woman's traditional role, there are so many corrupt male politicians who just abuse their power in the worst way and who are *disgustingly* immoral, I just can't see how a woman would do any worse. Dirty IMs to male senate pages? Drug addicts? Adulterers? Come on. And it's not just the Democrats either!
In the end, I trust God. And if it is God's Will that a woman be put into the office of the Presidency (because He is in control of all things, let's not forget), well then Thy Will Be Done, Lord. He certainly has His reasons for everything, even if we humans don't quite understand it at the time. ;)
I could not agree more...Hillary is like a bad nightmare!
What I think is interesting about the California bill is that they would rather throw the parents in jail - away from their children - for a year, than for the child to be smacked in controlled discipline. It seems that we need to evaluate which is worse for the child, the "crime" or the punishment.
Whether one chooses to spank or not, I still don't think the government should have that much control in our lives. People who think that children are completely innocent probably have never had children. :-)
Sarah D. I think if you're looking for a less liberal country than Canada is probably not your answer. :-)
Senator Obama is not a Muslim. He attends a Church of Christ in Chicago. As a homeschooler I believe it's important to teach our children respect for our leaders even when we disagree with them. We do not refer to Senators of the United States of America by their surnames or in the case of Senator Clinton "Hilary", but show respect for the office they hold by using their title.
Elle
Hey, Amy,
When I read your comment I could hear John Lennon's "Imagine" song in my head, though different lyrics. ;-)
I can understand your thoughts and I am not for Mrs. Clinton either. However, I have felt the very same feelings with having President Bush lead this country since he has been in office. I wonder in the days to come if I really want to still be living here. I am still pondering the thought.
Sometimes you can be a leader and appear to live as a christian - notice I said the word "appear". I don't believe that being republican automatically equals a godly christian. Since his ratings with the voters has dropped so drastically, I can only hope and pray that he will begin to listen to the people who he is supposed to be leading.
My hope is in God - and not any man; as God is in control of all things - no matter who is in office.
I knew it would happen, but it does make me physically sick. And the whole spanking ban talk makes me even sicker. I asked hubby when we were going to have to move. ugh
i'm confused - why were we assuming barack obama was a muslim? was it because of his name, or was there actually some proof? his website does say that he attends a church of christ .
L: I definitely agree that whatever label you have or political party you are in, does not make one a Godly person. My husband and I have been very disappointed with the Republican party the last few years. We've not switched to another party or to being independent, but that time very well might come.
And yes, our hope must be in God and our joy must be in Him. If it were not, things could be quite depressing otherwise! :)
I don't know much about Obama, but I do know I've not been impressed with the little I've seen, which I'm sure is no surprise. However, I have no clue on his religious affiliation. Does anyone know anything definite? It sounds like his website information would say he is not a Muslim. Was he a former Muslim or raised Muslim? Anyone know? I don't.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama
Nothing about the Senator being a Muslim. He attended parachoial schools at one point.
Yes,Obama does go to the "United" Church of Christ in Chicago...Kinda diff. but atleast he's not muslim.I go to a church of christ but our beliefs are MUCH diff.
Crystal,I agree with you on the women not being in office.Women are to be homemekers.God gave no indication of another office then that...
Crystal,
I have something I'll email you about Obama. Very scarry stuff.
Crystal, you're not alone! I stayed up way past my bedtime Sat. to blog about it--I titled mine, "That's it, I'm moving to Canada". If that were only possible, but I know God will give me grace if He ordains to JUDGE American once again with a Clinton in the Presidency.
There is another recently elected African American senator that is Muslim, so maybe that is confusing people.
Crystal,
I too am disturbed beyond words to think of what would happen if Hillary actually won the presidency! I know that the Bible tells us to submit to those in authority, but I cannot imagine how difficult it would be to submit to someone, especially a woman, who we believe has no right to be in a position of authority! My husband keeps reminding me that God is in control of the whole thing, and I certainly know he is right, but... this is a difficult issue for me.
I have read your blog for a few months. And wow do I agree. As christians we need to know our day of real persecution may be closer then we would like to think. Freedom to homeschool, go to truth teaching churhces, and openly being christian parents could certainly change as we know it today. Oh could I get on a bandwagon about what our Lord could potentially allow for our ever forgetful (about God) society! Saty strong in your convictions from the Lord.
Wow... a tongue-in-cheek post which brought on a lot of tongue-in-cheek comments. For the record, Canada is a wonderful country and has TOPPED the list of best countries to live in the world many times over. I was a little shocked at some of your readers' references to Canada as some sort of last resort. Uninformed perhaps :(. And, as for muslims in leadership, yes, we should definitely pray for Christian leaders who have integrity and wisdom and faith to lead our nations according to God's ways. Canada recently elected a Christian Prime Minister, I believe through a major labor of prayer! As for muslims in general, I have had the Lord personally bring me into a place of love and service to a muslim couple and share His love with them. I understand the original intended message of your post. I appreciate your passion!
Graciously,
Julie-Anne M. :)
Matthew 15: 10-12
I guess his(Obama) dad was a muslim. I got the info wrong from my mom. Ooops.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/muslim.asp
Barack Obama is not a muslim.
Kathryn in WI
Just had to comment on the "It takes a village to raise a child"-quote. We've had that kind of view in Sweden for decades, and our government has done it's best to make sure there are very few possibilities to be a SAHM or a homeschooler. Taxes are high, making it hard to survive on one income, and daycare centers are cheap. Also, if you'd stay at home with a child older than 1,5 years people would not only consider you weird, but a burden for not doing your duty by working and paying taxes. Children are being raised by the community and parents spend very little time with their children. Sweden might be a democratic and "rich" country, but it certainly is not a free one.
Spanking has been forbidden for a long time as well and I was never spanked myself(and turned out pretty OK anyway;)). I think that there are usually other ways to train up a child, but I still don't think it should be forbidden, if it's done in a proper way. Very often I see kids who have no respect whatsoever for their parents(even Christians), who openly disobeys them, who order their parents around and mock them. This is done by children as young as 2 years! Children are, as much as I love them, certainly no angels and are usually very clever. It's sad and pathetic to see parents manipulated like that. But that's another subject!=)
God's Peace,
Sofia
It really scares me to even think of a woman being President! I don't even know how a woman could get such an idea in her head, which seems to go so much against the natural flow of the world. I can only say that the enemy has a hand in her decision to run... His goal of setting women on fire for feminism and the whole "woman can do everything" philosophy seems to be working.. *sigh* Let's get on our knees, ladies, and pray pray pray!!
Not being American, I can't really comment here because I don't know the first thing she stands for... but I did find what Jesse said a little offensive. (And for the life of me I can't articulate my reasons the way they sound in my head. Please excuse that... but know it's the whole "hormonal woman" argument that bugs the life out of me) and also... Don't the Clintons have a daughter? Chelsea or something? Oh! and one more thing... if she does get in, you could always see it as a curse *grin*... remember in the bible when Deborah was there? She (and other women) were in positions of power because the men wouldn't step up and take authority and so God was shaming them by having the women do it. :P
It is encouraging to hear your comments also, Crystal, as unfortunately I think many associate a certain party with certain beliefs. I try to look at the "whole" person to see in the end what they will be able to do for the people that they lead. I just want a president who is more concerned about his own people in the end (health insurance, economy, homelessness, jobs, etc. etc.) than any other country. My heart breaks for every soldier each day that I hear that has died, and what his/her family must be going through.
I would be very surprised in the end if most people really want a woman president. Well, I am sure the feminists will, but other than that I am not so sure. So far, Obama seems to me to be the most "original" candidate thus far. However, I must state that I need to do more research about him and will pay close attention in the near future. Since each party can only put forth one candidate in the end, I am concerned that Obama could be "passed over" considering that he is young/less experienced in politics than Mrs. Clinton. Will people see Bill Clinton standing behind her and automatically vote her in? I hope not either - I guess we all should start praying a lot now.
Obama attended a Muslim school in Indonesia.
Read about his background here:
http://www.insightmag.com/Media/MediaManager/Obama_2.htm
Some are saying that Hillary has 'leaked' this information to help her cause. She is no dummy - she knows that this makes Americans nervous.
The thought of Hillary Clinton becoming president doesn't scare me nearly as much as Obama. Apparently he does have some sort of Muslim background. Although his backers are claiming that he currently has no Muslim affiliation. Also, I believe he attends a Unitarian Church. According to the congregation he rarely attends the church at all. I could be wrong.
I'll definately be reading more about him.
I've heard that people are facinated with him and are very drawn to him. There was a political cartoon in our paper this past Sunday with a picture of a giant cross with Obama's name on it, with two little men gazing up at it. It read "I'm not sure what it is, yet I'm strangely attracted to it". It's scary because some people refer to him as the black Jesus. hmm...
(Corrected)
Oh dear.
Crystal. With all due respect to your husband's opinion, and yours, the quotation you offer on women's fitness for public office does not do justice to your cause.
If a women are "too hormonal" to run a country, then they are hardly fit to run households and raise God's children.
A right perspective on good governance should recognize that the character of the nation begins in the home, with the mothers who rock the cradles and teach their children. -This womanly role is GREATER and more important than that of public servant, at any level, and (as you so ardently put it so often) this hugely important, political role is the unique prerogative of "hormonal" women. Just a thought. Careful.
P.S. But rather than looking into foreign citizenship, get involved! There are hundreds of family-affirming organizations at work at the national and international level to reverse the dire predictions! (A shameless plug follows-) For instance, see this alternative statement to the outdated UN Convention on the Rights of the Child, which has been ratified by over one million young people around the world:) - and more at http://www.worldyouthalliance.org/
"We affirm that the family is a school of deeper humanity; within which each member learns best what it means to be a human person. There, each member of the human family, from conception to natural death, experiences the gift of unconditional, enduring love. Thus each human person is carefully taught by the family to be responsible, to commit, to share, and to love.
Within the family children first come to understand their own intrinsic and inviolable human dignity. Through their complementary roles, mother and father, equal in dignity, show their children that the freedom of the human person is most fully and rightly lived in the gift of self. True love freely received and given within the family is an image of the transcendent love that makes possible the fulfillment and completion of every human being.
The family sustains society as it gives life to the next generation. It also has the privilege of forming free and responsible citizens, thus securing democracy. As the fundamental unit of society the family ensures the sustainability of civilization and culture. It takes on essential tasks in the care of all and especially the weakest and most vulnerable.
In honor of this joyful commemoration of the year of the family, we invite every individual to join us in solidarity and seek to strengthen his or her own family; we ask business, arts and media to support us by creating a family friendly climate; and we ask national, regional and international politicians to hear us and respond by creating the framework for a family friendly society."
Etc.
OOPS - when I tried to post this before, blogger chopped off the address. I will try again.
http://www.insightmag.com/Media
/MediaManager/Obama_2.htm
I totally agree about Hillary being scary, along with Barack. A friend of ours suggested that the GOP should put Oliver North and Condi Rice on the ticket. I'd rather not see a woman president or vice-president but if we have to have one then don't let it be Hillary. I think Condi should run against her, a black woman running for president? Anyone who'd vote against her could definitely be called a racist. I've always enjoyed politics but planned to get more involved.
MM and others: Like I said on my post, it was terribly tongue-in-cheek. :)
I've posted extensively in the past why I don't believe it is fitting or good to have a woman in high political offices. The hormonal thing is just a joke we have at our home, though I do know that I'm much more prone to be hormonal and irrational (the "weaker vessel" as Scripture says) and that is exactly why I need my level-headed husband to lead me.
If you found the hormonal comment offensive, please know it was not meant to be a slam against women or hormones - God created both and of course hormones are not enough to make a case against a woman in the White House. Not hardly. I was just in a light-hearted mood when I posted the post this morning and as I always find when I post tongue-in-cheek posts, some people just can't seem to "get" that side of me. That's why I'm hoping to try my hand at podcasting soon. Maybe hearing me say it would make more sense. Maybe not.
The joys of trying to convey my thoughts through the medium of the computer screen. Ugh. At any rate, this has been an interesting discussion and I appreciate those who overlooked my "tongue-in-cheek-ness!" (Or however you'd say that!)
Oh and YES! MM!
To quote a favorite preacher of mine (C.H. Spurgeon): "Do something, do something, do something..."
Start in your homes, with your own children, if you have them. Branch out to your churches, your communities, the world.
Share the love of Christ, the difference Christ can make in a life, the glorious Gospel of Jesus Christ. Share a "cup of cold water" in the Name of the Lord. Reach out to the hurting, the needy, the sick, the dying, the widowed, the lost.
And get involved, as God leads, in educating, informing, and encouraging your families, your friends, your neighbors, your churches to be politically active. My husband and I truly believe that it is our Christian and civic duty to be involved in local, state, and national politics as we are able.
Even as a stay-at-home mom, there has been so much I can do while not neglecting my family. Staying informed, making phone calls, writing letters to the editor, PRAYING, walking our precinct and surrounding neighborhood areas dropping off literature and information on Godly candidates, voting, calling congressmen to express support or concerns, writing congressmen encouraging letters thanking them for their hard work on our behalf, more PRAYING!, attending rallies, baking cookies for events, manning booths at events, walking in parades as a family in support of Godly candidates, putting a bumper sticker on our vehicles, putting a sign in our yard, collating mailings (I did a TON of this the year I was pregnant for Kathrynne for a particular candidate. During the months of morning sickness, the head of the campaign office would drop off boxes of stuff at our house for me to collate for mailings and then she'd pick them up in a day or two. I couldn't get out and do a whole lot that year, but I collated thousands of mailings!). These are all things we've done in the last few years. Not all of you can do all of these things, but we can all be creative and do something.
"Evil prevails when good men do nothing."
Crystal,
I can completely understand the hormonal comment! Right now I'm going through peri-menopause and I too am blessed w/a level-headed husband to lead, guide and advise me. He also puts up w/my forgetfulness, mood swings, night sweats, overeating, facial hair removal and worst of all by far, the lumberjack snoring (that is, when I don't have insomnia like right now!)
As a nurse, I can't be this way at work. My dad and hubby have taught me the army way of dealing ww/it which is basically suck it up and do my job.....then come home and whine a little. It's so great to have men be our protectors for these life changes.
Another thought-if we had a female president, she'd have the ability to send men to war. Having not had to do that herself in her past, can she really understand what she's asking of these men? A male president would understand b/c he's probably been in the service and had to be in dangerous situations or at least close.
Crystal,
Heavens girl, I KNOW you have a cute sense of humor! - but the thing is, any reference to a woman's not being fit for an "important" or "critical" or "national" role and being "fit" only for "lesser" roles by reason of her femminity is demeaning. -Demeaning is just not funny and women should actively guard against it. (and for the record, we history presents us with dozens of women presidents and queens who have capably led societies into greater godliness, justice, and prosperity.)
-A man's leadership role in certain arenas is a function of divine vocation, NOT a function of womens' "shortcomings."
A man's leadership role in certain arenas is a function of divine vocation, NOT a function of womens' "shortcomings."
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Agreed, MM. However, I disagree that a woman fulfilling her God-given role in the home is "lesser" than anything else - but I think you'd agree with that, too. :)
Crystal,
- Precisely.
(and thanks for keeping me e-company while I study for exams!)- LOL :)
Hi Crystal,
I can't help but think of Isaiah 3, where the judgment on Jerusalum and Judah is talked about because they were disobeying God. Especially verse 12
"Youths oppress my people, women rule over them. O my people, your guides lead you astray; they turn you from the path."
I personally think it is a complete travesity that Mrs. Clinton would run for office. I think God is trying to tell us something as American, but too few of us are listening.
Oh, and as for Jesse comments about hormones...I thought it hilarious. I, myself, am WAY too hormonal for such a thing. And tongue-in-cheek and as much as some would like to deny it, women as a whole are too hormonal for such a role, which I for one count as a blessing, not a curse.
Anyway, just my two cents.
Take care,
Leigh
Leigh,
... my point was simply that if one presumes that a woman is "too hormonal" for the important task of running a nation, how is it that she is deemed fit for the all-important task of forming a human life by raising a child? I just think that we need to be careful about what our language reflects of our most basic presuppositions. Either caring for a family is one of the most important tasks in the world, on par with running a nation (on a smaller level), or it isn't.
I stand corrected on Obama's religious affiliation. Thanks to all who submitted links - I'll definately be checking them out.
The reports of Senator Obama being educated in a Muslim school are false.
http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/01/22/obama.madrassa/index.html
Sorry, I think didn't make my last post clearly. CNN reports that Senator Obama didn't attend a "radical" Muslim school which was being reported by InsightMag.
Here's a quote from CNN's story debunking Insight's accusations.
"It's not (an) Islamic school. It's general," Winadijanto said. "There is a lot of Christians, Buddhists, also Confucian. ... So that's a mixed school."
The Obama aide described Fox News' broadcasting of the Insight story "appallingly irresponsible."
There seems to be a lot of conflicting reports on Obama's religious background and it appears it's turned into more of a mud-slinging contest in the media.
What I don't exactly understand is that the CNN report which is supposedly debunking the myth that Obama went to Muslim schools ends with this:
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Obama has noted in his two books, "Dreams From My Father" and "The Audacity of Hope," that he spent two years in a Muslim school and another two years in a Catholic school while living in Indonesia from age 6 to 10.
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That seemed odd - maybe I'm missing something? Why would they go to such lengths to prove the schools he went to were not Muslim and then turn around and say he says in his book that he went to Muslim schools for two years?
Just trying to get to the bottom of this.
It would seem that in Indonesia the "state" or public schools could be considered Muslim. The school that the Senator attended was not a "religious" school, but was a school under the authority of the Muslim "state" A "general" school. The distintion that is being made is a Muslim school that is simply under the Muslim authority but no religious teaching and a Muslim school where Islam is being taught. He attended a Muslim run school that did not teach the religion as InsightMag was reporting. Not a "radical" Islamic school.
Hilary for president?? If we vote her in I would have to say that would be pretty bad..... If I remember right, most people assumed that she basically ran the country through her husband before those 8 years he was president.
About thinking about citizenship elsewhere, whenever I have thought that I have looked at other countries and although our country is perverted in many ways, I am so thankful I am a citizen here and not elsewhere. My husband is not a citizen here, but a permanent resident, the things I have heard from living in his country just make my head spin! We think our government is perverted.....I had no idea! So, I try to be thankful for the little things and not expect the government to behave like christians.
MM,
I hope I didn’t offend you with my comments, that was not my intent at all. I like reading your comments, even if I don’t agree with you.
I am not sure I understand your point. Your reasoning seems to be too simplistic to me. You are saying that if I think a woman’s most important role is to be a wife and mother, than that should mean that it is equally important for a woman to lead the country?
I can’t remember who said it, but it has stuck with me (might be Doug Phillips), but they said, that women are just as competent as men, and can do most things as well as men, but that doesn’t mean that they should. We each have God ordained roles. A woman’s role is not to be President of the United States.
There is a huge difference between a mother teaching/leading/loving her children to fulfill her responsibility to “raise them up in the way that they should go”, and a politician that a majority of the Americans he governs have never met. The President’s role is not to “mother” us as a nation, but to lead us. A mother’s role is to love, mold, correct, lead and educate us.
And by “too hormonal” I mean, that God constructed woman with strengths in some areas and weaknesses in other, just as He did men. There is nothing wrong with that, we are not “less” than men because of it, but we are different. God never intended for women to be in roles of authority over men.
Anyway, just my two cents (again). Again, MM, I hope I didn’t offend you. I personally don’t mind that we disagree. Gives me something to study and think on.
Take care,
Leigh
Just with the whole hormanal thing... I do agree that women shouldn't run a country, but when you were saying about your husbands being there when you are hor*moan*al (as my husband jokingly says)... so would Hillary have her Husband, and a bunch of advisors. It's not just one person who runs a country. I am sure president Bush didn't just say "They bombed us! Lets go get 'em! And don't you dare tell me no... look what they did! How dare they!" I'm pretty certain he would have gone to his advisors, talked through the pros and cons, and then came to their decision. They didn't declare war on Osama the day they found out who it was. It was a couple of months after, was it not? No rash decision. And even, had there been a hormaonal woman in office at the time, would things have been any different. In my oppinion, anyway.
Crystal,
I just saw the edit to your original post. That made me chuckle. Advanced humor is tricky to express through blogging. ;-)
Leigh,
I am sorry that you are having difficulty understanding. My point is that if a woman is "too hormonal" to be entrusted with a nation, it would follow that she is also "too hormonal" to be entrusted with children. -But we know from history that women are certainly not "too hormonal" to lead a nation succesfully!
The main point is that we should avoid denigrating ourselves as women with careless language.
- Best!
MM,
Thank you for clarifying your thoughts. I totally disagree, but I understand what your meaning is now.
Thanks.
Leigh
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